#4 – Why Leaving Ministry Feels like Death with Josh Saenz

Who am I if I'm not a pastor?

In this episode Collin sits down with his friend, mentor, and former boss Josh Saenz (Founder of Compel You).

Collin and Josh dive into:

  • why (exactly) leaving ministry feels like a death,

  • the role family played in their transitions out of ministry,

  • and the pain of not knowing who you are outside of ministry.

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#3 – Getting Clear on your Career after Ministry with Todd Linder